[VWR]-Digest: V2 #81
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:36:18
From: "Paul H. Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: RE: [VWR] Skeptic page
Craig (and any other people new to
I'm posting in below my original message explaining the skeptic RV webpage.
Once again, I encourage EVERYone to participate--particularly the
Moderator's Note: For a small fee I can rent you a WWW billboard. :-)
Maybe you should have Lu put a copy of this post up on your own
site? So visitors would know about it? -- PJ
You may recall me mentioning awhile back that I was scheduled to give a
presentation to an Art Bell discussion group here in Austin. The
presentation seemed to be well received, and well attended. Included among
the audience were two members of the University Skeptical Society at UT.
They were quite attentive, asked some good and pointed questions, and one
stayed afterwards to discuss a number of interesting issues. The week
following, I received an e-mail from one of them saying that he had
constructed a webpage, which he describes in the following excerpt from his
e-mail to me:
"I enjoyed your Austin lecture, and have created the National remote
Progress Check Website to be maintained by the pseudoscience arm of the
University Skeptical Society. The site's purpose is to be a fun and
friendly place to post Session Summaries like the ones you presented (done
by you and some of your
students). We want to make sure the protocol is acceptable for a general
We want to emphasize that it is a friendly site, designed for
personal enrichment, honest evaluation and fun. We want to exemplify the
kind of skepticism that you indicated as "friendly" and not "rabid".
The URL is, for now, <www.ph.utexas.edu/~rwynar/RemoteViewing.html>
My skeptic friend went on to add the following in a subsequent e-mail:
"I have built the key and made a slight change of protocol that only affects
the way we report that a site has been visited. I did not want people to
confuse "visited" with "closed" , so now a site will simple be "active" or
"closed" and a " will close" date will be posted on the target list after
the first viewer submits a session summary.
Anyway, I think it is ready to go, I will try to get it tagged by
the big search engines. I have the first KEY list on its way to the Daily
Texan [the UT campus newspaper].
Please let people know about the site. I promise you that no tricks
or traps are laid here and that everything is as described in the protocol."
I have looked over the website, and it seems to be pretty well put
together. The directions on how to use it seem clear enough, and as far as
I'm able to determine it appears to be a legitimate and sincere effort to
run a fair RV "test." I plan on doing sessions against some of the targets
on it myself, and have suggested the same to a number of my students. This
seems like a good opportunity (even if you're not interested in the "test"
part of it) to get a crack at some good practice targets. They have a
mechanism for preserving your anonymity, if that is important to you, while
at the same time being able to keep track of your own results. Give it a try!
PS) I'm going to include a suggestion that they add an option for including
what type of RV participants use when doing a given target (i.e., CRV, ERV,
TRV, SRV, etc.). It might be useful in the meantime to include that
information when you register to do a target.
PSPS) Prudence, and anyone else with contacts to other groups within the
greater RV community, please pass this invitation along, so that we get
some good participation--and good sessions!--against the targets on this site.
Moderator's Note: Paul's web site can be found at
http://www.rviewer.com/ -- PJ
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:41:28
From: greg <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Squids
> >The problem - I missed
> >There was a big hole in the sketch where squid should have gone.
> >Instead, in my sketch, I hit movement, cold, black water - yep.
> >Squid - nope. Looking at the ideogram afterward, there was clearly
> >a recognizeable symbol for lifeforms. In almost every one, but I
> >missed it. So here's the question: (finally) Is it allright to go
> >back to the ideogram and add information to a sketch/analysis/both
> >(that isn't allready there) without risking AOL?
Your post reminded me of a target that I viewed from Feb. I wonder if it
was the same photograph that you viewed? It was a shot of a squid from
below looking up towards the sun. The squid is directly in the middle of
the frame. It was one of my better RV sessions - I'm not that proficient
yet, but I got lucky on this one. You can check it out if you like:
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:14:07
From: Yaana Allen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #78
> > It's like - don't you
think that your subconscious should
> > 'know' what you are 'thinking' - not just what you're 'asking'?
> > It 'feels' like it's a lot more disconnected that you would like to
> > think. Anyone else notice this?
My experience of the sub is that is its absolutely literal and
innocent, judgment is not relevant in it's world. Accessing data is
kind of like accessing a file from your computer, or searching the
net with a browser, unless you know how to ask the question, you will
only get an answer to the question you asked. This demands that we
get very clear and focused about what we want. In the sub.. like
computers, there is no such thing as.. well I was close, close can
get you 100,000 entries to look through.
> Yes, someone has. Which brings up the question...what part does 'spook
> assistance' play in RV. The need for precision in tasking, IMHO smacks
> of a channeling (horrors!) aspect. Although I should be content with
> the knowledge that RV works, I'm still compelled to find the origin of
> the info. "I gots ta know!" If not spooks, perhaps some sort of
> accessing of Akashic Records (requiring Dewey Decimal precision)???
> I would love to hear what long-time RV'ers have surmised from their
I am not a long time viewer, just 9 months, but I think that your
metaphor for the Dewey Decimal system is probably a good one. The
Akashic Record a sanskrit term for a record of everything knowable.
As for "spooks" as you call them, I have more than a passing
acquaintance with them, even have an aura photo of one, that help me
when I work with people. They do not show up when I RV. This is my
time to train, and develop a skill which enhances my ability to
experience and communicate. I have noticed that my discipline in RV
has enhanced the spiritual counseling work I do with others. I am
much more receptive, and less likely to distort information I recieve
about my clients, as a result they are progressing faster.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:40:36
From: "Liam " <email@example.com>
Subject: [VWR] AOLs in CRV
>I'm not that familiar with the
protocols for CRV, but, if I'm
>understanding you correctly, are you saying that CRV is not meant to
>>>>In CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL.
>Can you clarify that.
Hi Jason and all;
Liam here. As I recall Ingo had three rules for identifying AOLs
(Paul, you have the manual, so please feel free to jump in here and
clarify if I get off base.)
1. If it is a visual it is AOL
2. If the information contains the word like it is AOL (i.e. it is
rough like a mountain)
3. Information that is out of structure, or is not justified by
previous information (i.e.; Stage 1. flat, across, flowing,
B. AOL Break mountain)
Jason, when I first heard that this process would not be visible, I
was terribly disappointed. I did not think it would be possible to
"experience a site" without visualizing it. Trust me this has not
been the case. When you are "locked on" to a site you are
experiencing it far deeper than if you were actually there. It is
possible to "perceive and Know" the site better than a person who has
spent all their life at the site.
RV is really exciting. Enjoy the magic. The fun is in the trip and
not in reaching the destination. The downside is that RV is hard. It
takes work and dedication. There are always learning plateaus. There
is the feeling "I am just guessing." There is the feeling "I know
other people can do this, but I can't." and then one day there is
the feeling "man, I really nailed that site.
Good luck and good hunting
May the force be with you
Moderator's Note: It wasn't STATIC visual? Dynamic visuals with me
at least are usually dead-on, while static ones pretty much never
are. I thought motion in the visual was part of the categorization
of it -- but then I've had sort of a hodge-podge of teaching, from
formal classes with Lyn and one with Paul, to email and telephone
talks with others, so I kind of have a lot of different stuff all
melted into one vaguely coherent system. (Of course, if Paul and
Lyn had their way, I would be CRVing IN STRUCTURE! YES, SIR!
like the RV fundie we all hope to be. :-) But, if I CRV'd at ALL
lately that would be an improvement..... -- PJ
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:09:16
From: Chee Kian Koo <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Your favourite target?
I was wondering anyone can do a RV for me not for personal gain, and
I don't belong to any media. It is about the crash of MI185 SkilAir
over Indonesia water. The rumor is that it suffers the same fate as
TWA800 and the investigation result has not revealed. All souls on
that plane were killed and we think the government is covering up the
Wonder if you can help those families to find out the truth. I am
currently learning how to RV, but it will take me too long to find out
the truth of the crash.
Moderator's note: Kian, what would somebody telling you their psychic
impression gain you in results? Just curious. -- PJ
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:28:09
From: "Paul H. Smith" <email@example.com>
Subject: [VWR] Webpage update
Howdy! (I'm startin' to get the
hang of this Texas stuff! Before you know
it, PJ will be sayin' "Howdy," too!)--
Just to let anyone interested know--my webpage <WWW.rviewer.com> has
been renovated and now presents a new face to the world, thanks to
the design genius and hard work of our beloved PJ and her
much-to-be-esteemed husband Lu.
Some of you will recognize the motif from an earlier incarnation of
PJ's private Viewer Forum. She designed it to be mostly all-grey to
symbolize CRV's earlier days, when Ingo Swann insisted training be
conducted as much as possible in an all-grey room to cut down on
environmental overlay. Kinda clever on her part, I thought.
Most of the new stuff has been posted, but there are a few "under
construction" areas. Things that aren't there yet but will be are a few
example sessions done by some of my students, a statement of my remote
viewing philosophy, and some photos of moi--not that *I* want to look at
me, but I'm sure Gene and Liam have forgotten what I look like--you know
how it is when you get to the twilight years...(that's twilight YEARS Gene,
not Twilight ZONE!).
Also, last time I checked, the articles ("In Depth Reading" it's
called on the new page) haven't been attached yet. There are a few
other hit-or-miss things that will be added over the next week or so.
But there are some new things already there--a new purpose/mission
statement, new training overview, new summary history of RV, some
"attaboys" from students--that sort of thing. It'll keep growing as
time goes on. If you have suggestions about things you'd like to see
on it, let me know--and no, I WON'T post the DIA CRV manual (heck, I
figured somebody would ask! ;-).
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